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doobedoo22 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The speaker is a fraudster. He tries to make the bogus 'free energy' technologies sound legitimate by mentioning them at the same time as wind and wave power, efficiency and conservation.So: half the things he's talking about work. But he wants you to buy into the the other half.*sigh*
ecomafia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Well Chesh, friend,You're positively minded, so here's a bit of enlightement on how things work.To fuse nuclei, take 2 hydrogens, one needs to overcome the "strong force".Done in tokamaks, nuke blasts and the sun.All HIGH PRESSURE HIGH ENERGY devices, i.e. very HOT.None defies energy conservation from relativistic point of view. Mass turns to energy.Cold fusion is not here yet, at least in a repetitive way.And hot fusion is "a little too hot".This is not a "garage project".
cheshire03 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Then why does fusion defy the the most important things about thermodynamics? That is that the output energy of any machine can not exceed the energy put in? Yet a fully functional fusion reactor would do that very thing to a degree that seems impossible. I have faith that one day, humanity will create such a machine. Come to think of it, a fully functinal commercial ready fusion reactor is already in the building stages and is expected to be operational in the next decade.
ecomafia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Fusion is a *very* controversal subject especially outside of sun's temperature ranges.Should it happen, then, it'll not defy any of thermodynamics because as in fission, mass and energy are related.Not everyone achieves fusion when stating so.It hsppens in hi energy physics labs with a mediocre efficiency. The way is long and folks with serious theory approach have their chances.Frauds as well.One UNKNOWN case remains Joseph Papp. Feynman could not debunk it 100% I'm puzzled.
cheshire03 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I'm not disputing if this guy is a hoaxer, because he may very well be. All I'm arguing is that fusion is something that defies thermodynamics. There is real science proving this, and because of that we can't readily dismiss the idea that no machine could ever do so. Our science continues to grow and we learn new things all the time. To reject something like fusion is to reject our sun, all stars, and even life here on earth. Obviously the laws of thermodynamics need to be re-written.
ecomafia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Chesh,Fusion research is a serious matter indeed.Thst dude is a far cry from anything scientific. I've seen him argue in favor of magnetic motors.Here he sells shares of something he'll never achieve nor has intentions to.I showed that vid to my lawyer.Under Swiss laws, I could make lotsa money.Just sue him for "incitation to fraudulent investment". In court, ask him to show any real scientifically correct work. He can't. Easy off.DO not plz mix real scientists with frauds.
cheshire03 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
There is real science in Fusion, it's the way our sun works and the reason it's still lighting our sky, otherwise it would have ran out of fuel a long time ago. Scientist and engineers (even the ones from Tokamak) are the ones saying that a fully functioning fusion reactor that can sustain fusion would output many many times more energy then what is consumed (up to 1000 times more). They're only trying to replicate something that already exists in nature. Are we to call them hoaxers and frauds?
ecomafia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Wel Cheshire,Face it, fusion defies thermodynamics ONLY in HOAX cases. It doesn't in tokamaks or other "hot fusion" experiments.Listen to this dude. His talk is a far cry from science. And it takes quite a lot of scientific knowledge to master the subject.I've also seen that dude spinning some magnet bearing contraption claiming it to be a permanent motor.Nope, keep your cash away from there.Is a hoax and fraud.
cheshire03 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Fusion defies thermodynamics and it's a multi-billion dollar undertaking by many countires, scientist, and engineers accross the world. They claim that a fully working fusion reactor could produce as much as 1000 times more energy then what the machine requires to operate. That's a direct violation of the laws of thermodynamics, yet whole countries are putting forth a huge amount of resources to get a fully functional reactor. The laws of thermodynamics are probably if you consider that.
ecomafia (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Free advice for any potential investors....Now if this dude claims money for anything like perpetual motion, magnet motors or other device in contradiction with thermodynamics, then kick his bottom.They are THOUSANDS OF SUCH HOAXES.In fact, blackholes for money. |
