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JollyJont (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
And its not like "Oh I just carry you out of this burning house and the ambulance is waiting for you downstairs" If you are trapped in the death zone you might aswell be on the moon.
teahupo26 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
as much as i think ur correct bt that, what happens is people have spent maybe 2-3 yrs training for,eating right for,thinking about and saving about 50,000 dollars to go to the top. when summit fever kicks in and all that work has been done it would be very difficult to stop and help someone u dont know in a situation that u may not be able to do much if anything anyway.
MeganD39 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
26,000 feet does not dissolve you of responsibility as a human being. There are an infinite number of extreme situations where a person's life still takes precedence. Why is Everest exempt? Firemen run into burning buildings. Soldiers run into a line of fire to help the fallen. Do YOU know what it's like to do those things? I don't need to be there to know those people who walked past David are wrong. The climbing cowards on Everest walk past the dying, then excuse themselves afterwards.
MeganD39 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Right. It is different. People stopped in the Breshears film. I've said this already about David Sharp's death: 30+ people walked by a man who needed help and did nothing. Nothing. No one tried to coordinate an effort to help David, no one thought for a moment to do anything other than what would be acceptable to move on without guilt. It's disgusting. I can't respond specifically because yours is not a rational argument. You're justifying those climbers doing nothing and letting a man die.
JollyJont (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Think that alot of the youtube forum talkers should shut up. Try to make that hard descision in 30 seconds with your brain hardly working at all due to the low oxygene.Would like to know how brave you would have been up there, its easy to be brave infront of the computer. If it were lower down and not in the death zone I think 100% would have doubled back.
Keskin1975 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
But that is a different story and it was oviousely another place/hight otherwise they could not have done it with just 2 people.I guess were talking about different things, you are criticizing the general attitude and i`am arguing about this spcecific incident.I think you`re right about the general disregard for life up there but don`t forget about summit fever.People often ignore the deadline for summiting and die on the way down. It`s not always black or white.
MeganD39 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You would very much enjoy the documentary "Storm Over Everest." It provides insight from an Everest survivor and his rescuers. It tells about climbers who walked by this survivor, when they believed he was beyond help. Those who walked by this dying man summited and celebrated afterward, never giving it a second thought. But two climbers did stop to help a frozen, doomed man. And while they came home with no pictures standing in front of prayer flags from the summit, they did save a man's life.
Keskin1975 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Actually, there were some of them asking their guide/leader if there is something to do and he told them to go on.Don`t remember his name but he was a leader there for 15 years and was involved in 15 rescue missions himself.Anyway, if it puts your own life in danger, there is no obligation to risk a rescue that will harm 10-20 people.
Keskin1975 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I don`t get why you won`t understand it but everyone from that group of this leader i was talking about (i think all of them passed him on their way), had frostbite, even without helping anyone.We are talking about 10-15 people having their fingers, toes, feet and legs amputated, if they had helped him.And that is the best case scenario without someone dying.Plus, there is no warranty that they would be able to get him down or if he`d be even alive after that.
MeganD39 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The absolute "not possible" argument is tired and untrue. Ask David Breshears. People stopped and gave up their summit bid to help him after being left for dead and spending an entire night alone on the mountain. Imagine that, someone with a conscience on Everest. |
