ectogambit (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Of course THE WOMB! Damn I totally did not realize that a womb was required for pregnancy. I feel a bit foolish now, thank you for your help. Did it occur to you that when I said "just something if left alone" may refer to not terminating a pregnancy or abortion?Ever heard of quote mining and straw men.

dancingnature (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"I'm not talking about sperms or eggs on their own, just something if left alone will grow to a human being. "actually without a sort of "this side up" stamp from the mother's genes,the balls of human cells wont develop into a human fertilized eggs from humans never grow into people without a womb your anti abortion argument is based on bad info

ectogambit (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Its not just value in the in would or going to be human potential but respect as well. I'm not talking about sperms or eggs on their own, just something if left alone will grow to a human being. Terminating the beginning of human life because you don't want it and discarding it because its worthless seems like arrogant presumption to me.I don't mean to insult anyone but just to have my perspectives challenged, I think it is a controversial subject which dosent need religion to stick its oar in.

cidvisions (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Sorry to have assumed you were a christian, I know I would be insulted. What confuses me though is why you see value in potential. I can agree that there should obviously be limits on how late an abortion can be legal but if you don't think that a zygote has a soul what exactly are we talking about saving? Do you also argue that it would be wrong for a man to get a vasectomy because his 'Potenitial' is being removed? It is the same argument.

Uxoriouswidow (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Looking back, we would have existed if the very opertunity for fertilisation hadn't occurred"Wouldn't, that should say.

Uxoriouswidow (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Looking back, we would have existed if the very opertunity for fertilisation hadn't occurred. It means nothing. It's like a child looking back and being thanful that his parents weren't using contraception. A faetus is no more understanding of what it is to live or have a future than a sperm or egg, or even their chemical precursors.

Uxoriouswidow (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Part of you was also once in gametes. Would you implore that your parents had sex so that you get a right to life?

t4705mb6 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

As a "christian" US citizen, if you had to give up the power windows and cruise control in your car in order to feed a starving child, would you?Remember, you would have to use a hand crank for the window and your leg would occasionally get tired on long trips.It's a dilema. What WOULD "Jesus do"??

thpt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

If it is a bad thing to force a woman to have an abortion (China: population control through forced abortion at all stages of pregnancy), then it is a bad thing to force a woman to have a pregnancy (Slavic & African ethnic dilutions: repeated rape and imprisonment for months of pregnancy) then it is wrong to force a woman to never have an abortion. You cannot be for one one side of the coin and against the other.

alienjesus2012 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

facts are offensive