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fileboy2002 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The Discovery Institute promotes ID. They spread the lie that evolution is a controversial idea amomng scientists, and urge schools to "teach the controversy." But there is no controversy! Doubt about evolution among scientists is as common as doubt about the earth revolving around the sun. Letting students arrive at their own views does not work here. Some facts about the physical world are just TRUE, like it or not. If you don't see evolution is science, I can't help you.
ndyt (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
this guy is confused, there is no way to separate out the different levels of religious people, they all think they are right and no one can tell them otherwise.
loqutor (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Besides, the evolution crowd does their own share of ignorance promotion. They do very little research on the real beliefs of religious people, which causes their arguments to be full of straw men. They censor arguments that even hint at questioning the validity of evolution, and label people who disagree with them as idiots without even listening to what they have to say. A lot of them are becoming religious fundamentalists without a religion.
loqutor (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
The group pushing intelligent design the most (the Discovery Institute) does not promote the teaching of ID in public schools. They encourage teachers simply to teach both the strengths and weaknesses of Neo-Darwinian evolution, and let students arrive at their own conclusion.I would be perfectly justified in calling evolution 'pseudo-science'. The scientific method isn't involved in it at all.It's not religion itself spreading ignorance. It's religious leaders here and there.
fileboy2002 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Not credible? What about the endless campaigns to inject pseudo-science--e.g. "intelligent design"--into public schools? What about religious efforts to ban books? What about the efforts against comprehensive sex education? What about African Catholic bishops who urged people not to get immunized for polio? They calimed it was a secret plot to spread AIDS! The examples of religion promoting ignorance are countless!
loqutor (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I never said that they were less gullible. I just said that the idea that religion promotes ignorance really isn't credible.
fileboy2002 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
But those 8% of theists who don't beleive in Bigfoot believe in immaculate conceptions, bodily ressurrections, demons and devils, etc, etc--how does this make them LESS gullible than Bigfoot chasers? I named the CPS in reference to your earlier post--I know it belonged to the FR. However, you are right--the way I phrased it was confusing.
puckman (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Interesting to see how Atheist try to find answers to questions while religious people try to twist questions to fit their 'answers'.
loqutor (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
First of all, the Committee of Public Safety that I was referring to was not an instrument of Stalinism, but rather an organization active during the French Revolution. Look it up.Secondly, the idea that religious people are more ignorant or gullible than everyone else just isn't true. According to a recent Gallup survey, when asked if they believed in such things as Bigfoot, Nessie, haunted houses, astrology, etc., 31% of non-believers said yes, but only 8% of theists said yes.
fileboy2002 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Stalin simply twisted Marxism into a new religion. It featured a Devil (Leon Trotsky), a holy savior (Lenin), miracles (Lysenko's pseudo-biology), and an Inquisition (the CPS). Most important, Stalin drew on the ignorance, superstition, and servility burned into the Russian people by centuries of religious indoctrination. Religion made Satlinism possible. Hitchens speaks about this--didn't you hear it? |
