ninjachelas (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

it might not be ninjutsu but hurts a fucking hell

Daemenus (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

really? so easy ? this is not ninjutsu because it is bujinkan and if you hadnt noticed it was someone else who said it was jujutsu considering you base a good portion of your arguments on reading u dont do it very well

hatakekinume (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I apologize for the delay. YT decided ot do maintenance. Okay. Now perhaps we should take this offline, but what is YOUR definition of Ninjutsu? I have at least 6 names (and those doesn't include Stephen K Hayes).You say the above is Jujutsu.. Having done Jujutsu as well, I call BS on that.I think, sir, that since you are making the accusation of this not being Ninjutsu (and you obviously don't get what Ninjutsu is.), then YOU get to bear the burden of proof. How is this NOT Ninjutsu?

Daemenus (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

cant find it at the moment... still looking for it tho... but in the meantime... be a dear and name for me anyone who he has taught... now im not talking about bujinkan im talking about full on ninjutsu

hatakekinume (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Sooo.. where is it stated ON RECORD that he says such a thing? In his OWN words mind you.

Daemenus (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ah therein lies the rub... the art of ninjutsu dies with hatsumi he has gone on record stating that he will not teach it...my problem is that the word ninjutsu is too easily thrown onto far too many videos where it truly doesnt belong that said there are no videos of true ninjutsu nice attempt to force me into a corner tho... kinda backfires when u ask for something that doesnt exist tho... not to mention showing YOUR lack of homework

hatakekinume (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

My point was, that you obviously haven't done your homework. He uses those terms quite frequently in the SAME books! You're correct the Bujinkan is NOT Ninjutsu. The Bujinkan is a GROUP, not a STYLE. So, you say that the a/n video is NOT ninjutsu. Link us to one that is, then...

Creationsofmyown (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

your own words defeat you"relates Taijutsu to Ninjutsu and to the Bujinkan" my only point is that none of these things ARE the other. bujinkan is NOT ninjutsu it is a different art... i realize this destroys your fantasy that you are studying ninjutsu but unfortunately, you arent... i cant make that much clearer...

hatakekinume (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

err.. have you ever read his books? For examples, in the following, he describes and explains it.Way of the Ninja: Secret Techniques, Page 16The Grandmaster's Book of Ninja Training, Page 21Ninjutsu: History and Tradition, Pages 25-26In ALL of these books, relates Taijutsu to Ninjutsu and to the Bujinkan.Surely you've done your research??? NOT!

Creationsofmyown (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

you are incorrect... bujinkan is NOT ninjutsuwhy do you think Hatsumi-san has NEVER called it that?